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Off. you know, at the end of the day, this is kind of a seminal moment in the leadership of both mcguire and hasball. >> so you can, without defending the whistle-blower's actions or arguing that you think they did the right thing, you can defend the process by which a whistle-blower comes through. and i would imagine that hasball and all intelligence leaders should be able to subscribe to the idea that there should be a process by which people who see wrongdoing should be able to report it. >> that's right. and that's, you know, that's critical to uphold that. now, look at the end of the day,...

Rudy giuliani facing new questions and we learned he's facing more than just a criminal investigation. sources telling cnn federal investigators are looking into counter intelligence concerns. the president's lawyer all over the map in recent weeks as a u.s. scandal engulfed more and more people in the trump administration. >> it says you had a shadow regarding ukraine. >> i never knew about the 250 million dollar military aid. i wouldn't cooperate with adam schiff. i think adam schiff should be removed. >> you're not going to cooperate. >> i didn't say that. i said i'd consider it. >> you sai...

Facing more than just a criminal investigation. sources telling cnn federal investigatiors are looking into counter intelligence concerns. the president's lawyer all over the map in recent weeks as a u.s. scandal engulfed more and more people in the trump administration. >> it says you had a shadow regarding ukraine. >> i never knew about the 250 million dollar military aid. i wouldn't cooperate with adam schiff. i think adam schiff should be removed. >> you're not going to cooperate. >> i didn't say that. i said i'd consider it. >> you said you won't do it -- >> i said i'll consider it. >> i ...

With corrupt ukrainian figures to counterintelligence concerns. let's discuss with elie honig. okay. things are -- the pieces are starting to come together, maybe, for investigators. here's our cnn reporting. the counterintelligence probe hinges in part on whether a foreign influence operation was trying to take advantage of giuliani's business ties in ukraine and with wealthy foreigners to make inroads with the white house according to one person briefed on the matter. if this were the case, things would start to make sense for investigators, elie. you tell me if i'm wrong. because they follo...

People that are igor fruman who were indicted in that case and they raised questions of counterintelligence concerns that the fbi had. again, we're just getting a little glimpse into what appears to be a much broader investigation than we realized. >> evan, thank you very much. i want to go now to former new jersey attorney general ann millgram, an impeachment professor at brown university, corey brukschneider. ann, how worried -- let's start with rudy giuliani himself. again, the president's personal attorney and this is relating to counterintelligence in ukraine linked to the whole joe biden...