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Community. the cia, they wanted to find them themselves but finally he had already done most of the damage. >> the ames case is perhaps the most graphic and vivid example of the need to make structural changes in the operation of our intelligence community. >> when alder james was arrested, we knew he did significant damage to the intelligence community and we had other cases he was not involved in that went bad. >> you assume at that point that somebody else is trying to steal secret information and give it to the russians. and this is not a one off event and we've got to make sure if there's...

The fbi director was pretty clear about that. that's what the fbi does. they -- it is their counterintelligence operation that's leading it, but the question is were laws violated, and that's the essence of a criminal investigation. so it doesnthere doesn't seem th doubt about that. we're talking about requests of these recordings from congress, not from the fbi. >> and mike viquera from capitol hill, i have two questions for you, one about james comey and one about deputy secretary rod rosenstein. we learned that he will be coming to capitol hill on thursday, correct? >> that's correct. recal...

He didn't want anymore of the russia investigation. up understand what his point is. so what? most people wouldn't think, so what? they'd think this is a problem. >> i agree. impeachment is a political question. the congress in looking at this -- yeah, they look at the criminal statue and say -- an on the other hand citizen says would this be obstruction of justice. did he really fire comey to suppress investigation. we were talking about the flynn investigation at that time. the very next time he invites the russians in who, by the way, are being investigated in a counterintelligence operatio...

Threat that we heard from the fbi director? >> look, as long as vladamir putin is in power, russia will continue to see the united states as their peer adversary. as such, they're going to act in that fashion. look, craig, wi'm hopeful the investigation will come to some conclusion and blame will be assigned appropriately. but as a counterintelligence operation, this was a failure. we think about 2018, we think about 2020, the role of counterintelligence is to make sure that no adversary actually is able to progress to the level that we have seen here. and i'm really concerned about this. ther...