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Remains is whether this was manafort freelancing somehow in an effort to pay off his open bad debts or whether there was someone else in the trump campaign who was involved along with them. >> john heilemann, i have looked at presidential campaign data two ways. i've looked at it myself and i have looked at it with the guidance of professionals who have actually run president campaigns. >> yeah. >> and i find that guidance very helpful, and i'm sure russians seeking to interfere in our election and trying to help donald trump would love to have professional guidance on what to look for in poll...

Counterintelligence operations against u.s. assets not only in russia but worldwide. >> she is able to be there for teen years. she may not have information at her finger tips that they are concerned about as you spoke of, no classified information. >> abilitily. >> that she would have access to. she would know who is who get a lay of the land. >> this is a classic threat of the insider threat. the person that's a trusted betrayer. someone that has shone up every day, reporting shows that she was a quiet woman backup she was a mother, married. just went about her business every single day. she...

Fsb officer. we don't know that. all i know is she's got some pretty good gun handling skills for someone who was just an amateur gun proponent. but when that comes out, that's when you're goinging to see th espionage charges come up. >> she was charged by the d.c. u.s. attorney's office and not by robert mueller. what does that tell you? >> it tells me that mueller and his counterintelligence team in the fbi had indications that she was working on behalf of russia and instead of bringing it into their investigation, sort of like michael cohen, they'd toss it over to the district where the vio...

How frequently does the fbi engage in counterintelligence operations against foreign powers? >> every day. >> all the time? >> yes, sir. and this is how frequently does the fbi investigate a possible conspiracy between a presidential candidate or a campaign and a hostile foreign power? >> this is the first i can remember in my lifetime. >> is it fair to say we are in unprecedented territory? >> speaking from my experience, that's fair. ny experien-- my experience in . >> is it fair to say the country faced and is still possibly facing a grave threat from a hostile foreign power? >> it is. >> t...

Mcconnell, the one republican who did speak, said i still support robert mueller. i wanted to get to the bottom of this. if he had seen evidence that this was born of some nefarious activity, he would have said something different. listen to michael hayden, former director of the central intelligence agency who knows how the counterexperience operations work. he -- counterintelligence operations work. he believes the fbi did everything by the book, used human sources to figure out were there people in touch with the russians during the campaign. he also gives the president be br grudgingly cre...