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Because prosecutors want to see that he's telling the truth and that his information is valuable and that he's going to offer somebody who's either in an equal position or a higher position than he occupied. and let's face it, he was at the top of the pyramid in the security part of the united states government. >> yeah, for the time that he was there. >> yes. >> and all along the -- and especially in the trump campaign, which is kind of the time period that is in question when it comes, obviously to these investigations. steve, let me go to you. from the intelligence perspective, what does th...

And evan macmillan. a former cia operative. what do we know at this point? >> it's difficult to tell what we know. i don't think we'll know more until we get more into this investigation, 25ez going to take a long time and it's going to be hard. the surprising thing i heard from director comey earlier today, it's a counterintelligence investigation. a counterintelligence investigation, because they deal with sensitive information. and it also overlaps into the legal part, it takes a long time and it's really hard. we're going to have to see where it all ends. but also from a counterintelligenc...

Theories and a lot of the stuff you've been hearing but when you see just the sheer volume of questionable things, you know, flynn lying to the vice president, you know, all this sort of the little pieces which there's no evidence yet of any kind of collusion, to you are all those pieces just too many to be a coincidence? >> anderson, i look at it from a counterintelligence perspective and admittedly that is a different threshold from a legal perspective or from bringing somebody to trial or court. for me from a counterintelligence perspective, there's way too much smoke for there to be absolu...

Of the stuff you've been hearing. but when you see the sheer volume of questionable things, flynn lying to the vice president, all this sort of -- little pieces, there's no evidence yet of any collusion, no evidence. but to you are all the pieces just too many to be a coincidence? >> anderson, i look at it from counterintelligence perspective. admittedly that's different from legal perspective or bringing somebody to trial or court. for me from counterintelligence perspective, looking at it in my old job, way too much smoke for there to be absolutely no fire. that doesn't mean i think everythi...

Jose, stand by. i want to bring other folks in. russia expert matthew rojanski. director of the kin none institute at the wilson center. jack kingston, a former senior adviser to the trump campaign, cnn national security analyst juliette cayenne. steve hall, retired chief of the cia russia operations. good to have all of you. stephen, cnn sources are saying this cnn server activity is odd. what is your take? >> it is odd. at this point it's unexplained. until we get more information as to whether there are any packets flowing -- right now all we have is just this sort of electronic handshake, ...