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Audit of what the national security agency was looking into? no, not so far and they should. >> so do you think -- what about snowden's leaks, bob, you've looked at in terms of how orchestrated they are? do you think he has been working with foreign governments, or is that allegation to your view at this point also not clear? >> well, erin, the problem is i spent so many years up against the russians. and in that world, when someone goes to moscow they're presumed guilty, not the other way around, presumed innocent. so i always look at it from a counter intelligence perspective. and i wish he ...

Is true, they should be held accountable. you know, we do need clarity on how far it went. and does congress know? have they done an independent audit on what the nsa agency was looking into? no, not so far, and they should. >> so do you think -- what about snowden's leaks, bob, do you think he has been working with foreign governments, or is that allegation, to your view at this point, also not clear? >> well, erin, the promise -- i spent so many years up against the russians. and in that world, when someone goes to moscow, they're presumed guilty. not the other way around. presumed innocent....

>> well, erin, the promise -- i spent so many years up against the russians. and in that world, when someone goes to moscow, they're presumed guilty. not the other way around. presumed innocent. so you know, i always look at it from a counterintelligence perspective. and i wish he had not gone to moscow, i wish he would have made his protests on the floor of the courthouse, there is no evidence he is a deflector, but i can assure you that the fbi and the cia are looking at that possibility, but again, there is no evidence. >> all right, appreciate your viewpoint, thanks so much to bob and ray....

And they will be taken to a safe facility, and they bl kept company, if you will, by intelligence officers who will go through a period of debriefing them and preparing them for a new life and arranging for new identities and relocation and housing and financial assistance and get them settled. and they will go through a period of where they are talking to them to understand what were the sorts of questions that russian officials were asking them when they were in prison and arrested and how were they treated an all of the sorts of things that our intelligence service will want to know so they...

To the russians. i think what's important to also take a step back and say look, whether you're talking about the steele dossier, talking about a guy like papadopoulos or even a guy like flynn or paul manafort playing much larger roles in the campaign, in the trump campaign, you could take away any one of those legs, and this is from a counterintelligence perspective now. you could take away any one of those legs of this investigation and you would still have a whole lot of stuff that the trump administration needs to explain. the whole idea of dirt on hillary clinton is first and foremost sor...