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>> tom nichols wrote for "usa today" that it actually would have been surprising given all of the strange behavior exhibited by the president during his campaign on this show actually in december of 2015, moving forward, and through the first couple of years of his presidency he actually said that it would have been strange had the fbi not made an inquiry into whether there was any connection between russia and donald trump that might impact america's national security. can you tell me what sort of division there was inside the bureau on whether this should be launched or not? >> well, the bur...

Case, things become more clear. the oligarch you're talking about, mr. vekselberg, is worth $13 billion. he's not the only oligarch who has shown up. we've seen -- deripaska has shown up when paul manafort was the campaign manager of the trump campaign offered a private briefing to him as to how things were going up. we've seen other oligarchs pop up in connection with donald trump jr. and others. there is a pattern, despite what the administration says, about russian oligarchs and russians in general sort of inserting themselves into this story. this idea that the american arm of this -- of t...

We've seen -- deripaska has shown up when paul manafort was the campaign manager of the trump campaign offered a private briefing to him as to how things were going up. we've seen other oligarchs pop up in connection with donald trump jr. and others. there is a pattern, despite what the administration says, about russian oligarchs and russians in general sort of inserting themselves into this story. this idea that the american arm of this -- of this company that is owned by the oligarch has nothing to do with russia is, of course, ludicrous, but common sensically, is it just pay to play? that'...

That. and, look, he should have known better. the trump campaign should have known better. they should have known that the russians are always trying to get close to people in power and looked on this meeting from the very first meeting, over the very first contact really suspiciously. you've got to be really careful about russians bearing gifts. they're not really on your side. >> fred. >> well, there's this sentence in the e-mail from mr. goldstone about russian government assistance to the trump campaign and that seems to be the focus of this whole scandal, but why would a celebrity promote...