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What happened. absent any of those things happening -- >> and that's been a tradition in so many administrations. he's breaking with tradition on that. and there has to be a reason, a very specific reason why. >> exactly. and it's also a requirement under the presidential records act that anything that the president says or does is kept in the national archives. if that was the worst violation he'd made here, we'd all sleep a little better at night. in this case, he's given an intelligence advantage to the government of russia because they know something about conversations that he had with vl...

Classified information when you were on the national security council under the obama administration. are there generally safeguards in place to stop people who only have a temporary clearance, maybe -- well, supposed to be when they first start working there -- from accessing ultra sensitive, classified information? >> well, typically -- the short answer is yes. i feel the need to say this just because the white house is putting out so much misinformation on this. this is not normal. interim clearance are for a short period of time while an investigation concludes. they're not supposed to be ...

We know this from testimony yesterday. and the white house chose to knowingly disregard the advice of the intelligence community yet again. i worked for two presidents. i had clearances under two presidents. i have never heard of the white house saying to the intelligence community, okay, we don't take your advice. we don't believe you when you say this person is a counterintelligence risk. i think it follows a pattern, frankly, of the white house listening to the intelligence community when it fits their political or personal interests, like with the nunes memo, and disregarding the intellige...

Are for the future and how it would impact on the united states. >> just to highlight the different ways and traditional ways in which they're pursuing this plan, let me ask you, what in your view could you say in the setting is the counterintelligence risk posed to u.s. national security from that those in advanced programs in sciences and mathematics. >> i think in this setting i would just say that the use of nontraditional collectors, especially in the academic setting, whether it is professors, scientists, students, we see in almost every -- in almost every field office that the fbi has a...

Different ways and untraditional ways in which they're pursuing this plan, let me ask you, what in your view could you say in this setting is the counterintelligence risk posed to u.s. national security from chinese students, particularly those in advanced programs in sciences and mathematics? >> i think in this setting i would just say that the use of non-traditional collectors, whether it's professor, scientists, students, we see in almost every field office this the fbi has around the country. it's across basically every discipline and i think the level of naivete on the part of the academi...