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Criminal investigation has almost been reframed now in counterintelligence terms, as all about russia's interference in the election. and this is where, you know, manafort is front and center. >> harry, what did you think about barr today in the senate? >> yeah, so, to me, he was really straight by the book. the thing that impressed me, i really -- he sold me on this notion, he's 68 years old, he has no reason not to play it straight, by the book. he struck me and i -- from having worked with him, i already felt this, as somebody who would stand up to the president without hesitation and walk ...

Counterintelligence terms, as all about russia's interference in the election. and this is where, you know, manafort is front and center. >> harry, what did you think about barr today in the senate? >> yeah, so, to me, he was really straight by the book. the thing that impressed me, i really -- he sold me on this notion, he's 68 years old, he has no reason not to play it straight, by the book. he struck me, and i -- from having worked with him, i already felt this, as somebody who would stand up to the president without hesitation and walk away if he needed to. he also allayed some fears i had...

I think he should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. i consider him to be a defector. >> so what now and how do you go about tracking down someone who is an expert in keeping secrets? to a former cia officer and a form former cia operative. welcome to both of you. bob, look, the debate is raging on whether he is a hero or a traitor. tell me what is going on behind closed doors at the cia. >> they're using the same methods that he revealed to go after him. right now, i can assure you, they are looking at him as a potential agent of a foreign country, maybe china. the question is wh...