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Blackjack pershing is known for and that's what trump is referencing. >> is it an appropriate reference? >> it's an inflammatory reference and it's totally irresponsible if you think about it. nobody's really accused president trump of being a student of history. if he was a student of history, he'd understand that repression, cruelty, torture, all those things breed more terrorism. they create anger. the 9/11 lead hijacker grew up in egypt, a place notorious for torture. and so this sort of inflammatory language can make the problem worse, can put americans overseas in the military, elsewhere...

I'm not suggesting we ban people from tunisia, but i didn't see the logic of the ban. i don't understand this, wolf, it was not -- the countries named were not huge problems for counterterrorism practitioners. >> this was, gloria, as you know, a major campaign commitment on the part of the president. he was going to secure the borders and prevent these so-called bad dudes from getting in. >> it was a major campaign promise, as was the question of immigration, what he would do with undocumented workers living in this country. so these are two major promises the president has made that he would ...