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China, but it is really important in the context of the challenge of china, for the cia. china's what intelligence collectors call a hard target. it is really opaque, tough to get into, you really need officers who have this kind of deep can cultural and regional expertise to kind of get after the problem. and you need to be able to send them where they're needed. you need to send them to, say, west africa, where china has a lot of investment and united states wants to be able to see what they're up to. so bottom line, jim, in a lot of ways this is a return to a really traditional way of think...

Counterterrorism problem. lots of reconstruction needs to be done. lots of problems with the iraqi government. but, still, let's let them have their day and celebrate three years ago a lot of people predicted this would never happen. >> what about isis in syria. you alluded to that. not just the same parallels when it comes to these two countries. >> very different. the line in the sand between iraq and syria may be arbitrary but what happens on the two sides of the border is very different. in iraq we have a very real partner. and, again, i could talk all day about what is wrong with the iraq...

Talk about that and the potentially radicalization of those individuals. >> absolutely. those in the muslim brotherhood are not inclined to support u.s. foreign policy but al qaeda's message to suppress the muslim whole. in that sense, that becomes a very, very attractive message when you see your brothers shot down in the streets and ultimately killed. >> where is the incubator? what we were concerned about a month ago? >> i don't think yet but it certainly could be inspect syria is the place where you have the greatest danger of foreigners coming to syria and joining al qaeda and then potent...