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Best i can tell from the people i talked with and worked with, that you talk about jose rodriguez who ran the insurgency -- the counterterrorism program, michael mukasey, the attorney general, leon panetta all said the enhanced interrogation program played a role and that is to say some of the early leads came from that program and my guess is that that is probably the case it contributed, just as did a number of other factors. >> chris: if we were to capture another high-value target given the trove of information they received, should they reen tate enhanced interrogation, including water bo...

Leon. i think that it would be better to release the photographs so that it clears up any confusion. on the other hand, it may very well be -- there may very well be good reasons why the president doesn't want to do that. and i think it is a presidential decision, not the cia director's decision. and, you know, there are a lot of things i differ with the president on. but this would not be one, if he makes this decision. >> there's a debate going on right now about where the intelligence, the key intelligence, came from. there are people like congressman peter king, like the man who used to ru...

Very well change the course of a war. one of the things that you raise is the issue of what the alternatives are. obviously this president is not going to pull troops out suddenly. he's probably not going to pull all of them out when he pulls them out. we're going to be there at least for some very long time to come. is counterterrorism plus essentially been named the joe biden option. is that a realistic alternative to what we're doing now? and is it being seriously considered? >> is it being seriously considered? i'm sure people are still pushing for it. but i think eventually that's where w...

>> sure. >> obviously this president is not going to pull troops out suddenly. he's probably not even going to pull all of them out when he pulls them out. we're going to be there for some very long term to come. is ct plus, counterterrorism plus, essentially what's been named the joe biden option, is that a realistic alternative to what we're doing now and is it being seriously considered? >> is it being seriously considered? i'm sure people are still pushing for it. but i think eventually that's what we're going to end up with. we'll end up with a smaller footprint and a fairly active counte...

Burden as we start the week. >> simone, give me your last word. >> we need to hear from the president of the united states today and hear him say the words white supremacy, kkk, neo nazis and we actions to follow up with those words, reverse the policy change that the united states of america no longer is looking at white supremacists in our counterterrorism program. he needs to remove the white supremacists from around him, white supremacist sympathizers, steve bannon and gorka. people in america need to get a history lesson, such as mr. cuccinelli. >> one thing you do when you see hate is co...