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Make this thing popular and get people to sign up for it. the problem is even if they're successful, lots of premiums will still go up, lots of people will lose their health care, lots of employers will cut back their hours and turn their workers into part-time workers so they don't have to enroll them completely on this thing. and in almost every single way, this thing is still destined to become a political and economic albatross. jon: i just wonder about the taste of it. i mean, we played that commercial at the beginning of all of this that, again, is being sort of, you know, pushed by what...

What kind of oversight is provided for this program. the court system, congress, how congress has authorized this program, and by the way, even though snowden came out and acted like this was big news, it's something that is known, it's been reported, it's been known on capitol hill, it's just his sort of explosive charges that brought it to the forefront. the good news out of that is that we are having this conversation about what -- you know, things like surveillance as part of a tool kit of protecting the american nation. >> and there was an interesting moment too when i believe -- well i d...

Back with us. >> thank you, jenna. jenna: what's the significance of all of this? >> well, let's start with the peace talks with the taliban first. i was also in doha last week, and so was president karzai -- jenna: were you there together? because our viewers might want to know. [laughter] >> no. although brookings did -- my colleagues held a conference, u.s. relations with the islamic world, and president karzai spoke with that, so that was part of why he was there, but he was there to speak with the emir of qatar, and i have to assume one of their subjects was this taliban office. however, ...

Conflict with a dedicated group of radical individuals who are intent on striking the united states, on killing americans and upon hitting us here. how can we do that in a way that doesn't inconvenience or in this case threaten the privacy rights of individual americans? it's a very difficult balance to strike. jenna: the president says that war on terror must end. >> the president is wrong. the war on terror must end but it must end on our terms with victory. it mus defeating radical islam as a political thought and movement around the world by convincing people that they shouldn't join up wi...

And cable car may maintenance because these are here to stay. and they are a registered national landmark, and because of that they cannot be changed or redesigned in the any way. city officials say that's a good thing because tourists who come from around the world pump millions of dollars into the local economy here. so city officials are saying, look, if riders are careful and perhaps a bit more aware of the potential dangers, everyone should have a safe and memorable ride. jenna: they're really fun. i highly suggest it. as a native, just keep your hands inside the cable car. don't hang off...