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Much bigger. but it might be the case that this guy thought that trump had legitimately one. but we do have reporting from the times and other places that trump him self was getting a bunch of memos, and ordering these executive memos to be written, that called for a season of electioneering and cuckoo stuff that is the behavior of dictators and coup plotters and the like. >> if i can interrupt you though, neal, you use the word intent. and i keep hearing from our lawyers, and i am not one, that that is going to be key around decisions on whether criminal charges will be brought in some of the...

Saying something and not saying something and always being protected by his army of lawyers and the wealth that surrounds him. and by the way, if you look at the students of rhetoric, they will tell you that both saying something and then not saying something is a hallmark of fascist rhetoric, where you basically make your point, very fine people on both sides, and then you go on and said but i denounce racism so sending the mixed message and that's what he does also in terms of sending signals to people about what he's going to do, does anybody have any doubt that if god forbid he were to get...

What was the relationship between the inside coup plotters around donald trump and the insurrectionists who broke our windows, attacked our police officers and stormed the capitol. >> and of course just days before that storming of the capitol, you lost your son, tommy, at the end of 2020. i cannot imagine the toll that must have taken on you and the family. in the documentary you reflect on that boy placing it in the larger context of so many losses americans suffered in the first year of the pandemic. let's have a watch. >> we were not the only family in that god-awful year to lose a family ...

Ice. >> you're a law professor and i know you choose your words carefully. would you say we're in a fascist political moment right now? >> i think there clearly is fascistic politics. the political scientists will tell you that the best indicator of a successful coup coming is a recent failed coup where the coup plotters get to diagram the weaknesses in the current regime. so we've got to map that out for democracy and repair the walls so it doesn't happen to us again. >> i want to play a clip from the documentary "love and the constitution" airing tonight. the clip is from election night 2020...

And always being protected by his army of lawyers and the wealth that surrounds him. and by the way, if you look at the students of rhetoric, they will tell you that both saying something and then not saying something is a hallmark of fascist rhetoric, where you basically make your point. very fine people on both sides. and then you go in and say, but i denounce racism. so, you are sending a mixed message. and that is what he does in terms of sending signals to people. about when he will do. does anyone have a doubt that, if god forbid, he were to get back into office, that he would go ahead a...