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Off on the manafort indictment than we saw on the papadopoulos line of case. and so those teams, although there may be a little bit of coordination here, i think that they're moving forward with their cases separately. but one thing that did happen when these indictments were released to the public view is that we got a good sense of how mueller is working. and although papadopoulos may be at the lower end of the spectrum in terms of couple ability and indeed that's what we're forced to conclude by the fact that he's now looking at a sentence of zero to six months, we're also seeing a rather e...

Based on what's before us so far. >> i'm saying it's a judgment call and also he hired him because of his experience knowing that his experience had to do with russians and ukraine yans -- >> well, he's worked on american presidential campaigns as well. i mean, what's unusual -- >> you believe there's no couple ability for the president, even though he's -- he is the guy who is running the country and running the campaign, then running the country now that the person he hired, well, that was his deal, i have nothing to do with it? >> well, look, when you have the other people in the campaign q...