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That over and over and over again, did you cringe? >> you know, i have to tell you, i looked into this lie of the year thing. i love the folks over at politifact. they went off the rails this time. i'll tell you why. >> they went off the rails? >> they did. they did. the health insurance companies had a way to not have to cancel everybody's policy. all they had to do was make a couple adjustments, they wouldn't have had to cancel everybody. i think that's what the president expected them to do. it's what i expected them to do. they make money by having people on their policy. why would they ca...

Because boehner can't cut a deal. i think in five minutes' time he and obama would come up -- >> excuse me, excuse me, you're wrong. you're wrong. all that grover has to say, all he has to say is, we're in a particular fiscal crunch right now, and we've got to make allowances for that. if he did that, a lot would change. >> grover only counts because these tea party guys, the 50, 60, 70 in the house, they have a theological opposition to any -- >> let's go -- >> all they're worried about is being primaried from the right -- >> i know -- let's talk about the caucus you used to work with and kno...

Allowances for that. if he did that a lot would change. >> grover only counts because these tea party guys, the 50, 60, 70 in the house, they have a theological opposition to any -- >> let's go -- >> all they're worried about being primaried from the right -- >> i know -- let's talk about the caucus you used to work with. >> very well. >> aren't there a lot of people over there if grover came out and said these are particular times, we have to make a couple adjustments. >> members of congress should not have to negotiate with grover norquist. >> but i'm asking you an open question. would that ...