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We will listen to the experts. nancy pelosi came to the white house, secretary of homeland security was there to make a presentation and she said we don't want to hear it, not interested in what you have to say. that is the mindset when you walk into the negotiation, i am pessimistic that things will change but perhaps, perhaps there can be, as you say there were more dollars that were not well spent during the appropriations lapse we just came through and do the arithmetic, it would have been just as reasonable to provide the president the money at the same time he might have gotten border se...

4.2 million, jose are the latest number of people getting in the middle of this so you can tell this is setting up for a huge fight that could, in fact, go on for years. >> this is not just people supporting it these are also people questioning for example the cost and if the cost of energy is going to go up utilities, et cetera. >> right. so on one side the opponents say this is going to kill jobs it's going to close coal plants. on the other side the president and supporters of this say, in fact it's going to create jobs in new energy clean energy industry like solar and wind. they see it as...