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Steve kornacki? >> well, when you frame it that way, it damning. but i'd be curious to ask jonathan about this is what i hear from paul ryan defenders, it comes down to we have, you know, 14, 15 trillion debt problem in the country at least paul ryan has put a plan forward and you know, there is a budget -- >> the courage argument. >> there is a budget from obama but nobody's rallied around it. there's no democratic long-term deficit reduction plan out there to compete with the ryan plan. how do you feel about it? did they make a mistake in not putting one out, the democrats. >> the democrats ...

Members, every one of them want health care. i think everybody wants affordable health care for all americans. they know that this will take courage. it took courage to pass social security. it took courage to pass medicare and many of the same forces that were at work decades ago are at work again against this bill. >> is her courage argument convincing enough for you to risk your career and vote yes? >> well, again, risking your career implies that you're going to cast a vote that is blatantly against the will of your constituents. i'm not going to do that. i represent a district that is it ...