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There wasn't yesterday but that was his fifth event in four weeks on immigration. i want to move over and talk about something he started his speech with. praising the c.i.a. for their tremendous work and the takedown of bin laden. there's a way that the president can show that he appreciates the c.i.a. he could stop the investigation his attorney general is doing on enhancing interrogations that happened in 2003, 2004 and 2005, correct? >> absolutely. in fact, isn't it weird he goes to fort campbell, kentucky, to do the proper thing which is to meet with the seal team 6 members who took down ...

The fact that it may be an international war crime, that seems to argue against torture. there are so many things about this that we don't know. my biggest problem with the torture issue, in the end, is i think that it's irrelevant to this. it seems as if there are some who are desperately trying to hold on to torture as a good thing rather than saying, does this work, is it effective, and are there better and more honest and frankly, more legal alternatives. that's my big concern, and in the end, most effective concern. >> but in this, we know starting in 2002, they were using these technique...