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>> it is a fascinating relationship. i think this so-called rift between bannon and trump is really overblown. these guys are close. bannon was one of the few people who could tell donald trump what he didn't want to hear. and by the way, he was the only quibble i would have with michael wolff is not everybody in the campaign thought they would lose. bannon was sure they were going to win. trump respects bannon and bannon has a certain amount of respect too. whether you like or loathe him, one thing he is good at doing is telling you stuff with the bark off. he's not afraid to tell you what he...

At the first half of the trump white house under reince priebus and john kelly. it was a white house that was fundamentally uninterested in governing. they had not -- the transition was a disaster. it was almost anti-transition. they were determined the to learn nothing about anything. and on day one they had no idea what they were doing, which of course gave an opening for steve bannon with his white boards to come and do the executive order on immigration. of course bannon at the end of the day is a disruptor and not interested in governing. it is a fascinating story. and i get into it in th...

Angst among americans. >> i want to get this question to you quickly, rick. he said he cried when he was fired. bannon is trying to take take t high road, at least in public by calling the president a great man. but he has lost financial support the mercer family is pulling financial support for him. so it over for him, steve bannon if u.s. politics or not? what do you think, rick? >> maybe, maybe not. look, you go at the president who has a huge megaphone, you will just lose that, he has lost that. he has been cut off financially. we will see if he can regain ground t. question will be whethe...

Lost his job he lost his mind. you think these two are going to come back around and they will be talking on a daily basis. >> i don't have a crystal ball, but i think they will get over it. i would be surprised if he isn't on the phone to bannon next week. trump has an extra phone, and he doesn't hesitate to use it. it is not monitored by john kelly. he calls reince priebus, bannon, lewandowski. i would be surprised if these guys didn't patch things up. >> so the cease and desist letter, wolff said it reflects one of the president's core character traits. >> i will tell you the one descriptio...

Running the investigation into any possible russia connection, any possible russia collusion. in the end, is this book likely to provide us some real insights here or is it more really about the politics of it, about, i guess, palace intrigue than it is about what might happen to this administration or what might come of this investigation? are we get anything clues? >> i think it really is the palace intrigue to a large part, chris. one of the things that jonathan was going back to, this treasonous allegation, of course bannon there was talking about whether or not trump may have walked peopl...