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That's why i would have preferred some process of trying to negotiate that exit and negotiate a pathway to elections. but they've tried to move with brute force. maduro knows how to play that game and he's going to dig in and not let go. >> ben rhodes, dan de luce, thank you so much. coming up, nancy pelosi taking impeachment off the table for now. democratic congresswoman barbara lee joins me next. can be a big deal. that's why there's otezla. otezla is not a cream. it's a pill that treats plaque psoriasis differently. with otezla, 75% clearer skin is achievable. don't use if you're allergi...

Trump administration made this bid to recognize guaido, of course maduro is digging in. you're right, he's a man who's eviscerated the democratic institutions of that country. he's a man venezuelans would be better off without. that doesn't mean in the real world that he's just going to leave because donald trump chooses to recognize the opposition leader as the president. what i see maduro doing is digging in and hanging on for survival. this is what these types of autocrats and dictators do. and again, your point about process is right. you need to get those people around the table so you're...

Compounded venezuela's economy collapsing. what we essentially have is a failed state. what i've been worried about is the trump administration doesn't seem to have a plan "b." they recognize guaido but the military doesn't go with him. now we're pulling our diplomats out. we can use this collapsing situation as a pretext for military intervention. that to me would be a big mistake. >> dan, there's no question that maduro deserved to be pressured, sanctioned, whatever. guaido seems to be a legitimate leader with a lot of support. but this could be a very long siege if there are no more militar...

They continue to advance their nuclear and ballistic missile program, they continue to engage in illicit activity. they're biding for time while they go about their business. >> i want to ask you to put on your hat as a formerly national security adviser. what do you think is signaled by the fact that the state department last night ordered all embassy personnel out of venezuela, citing the deteriorating situation with these massive blackouts, are we about to face potentially some kind of military conflict there? >> that's my concern, andrea. first of all there has clearly been a deteriorating...