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Turning to discuss the deputy assistant commerce secretary for europe, middle east and africa during the obama administration. gentleman, i'm glad to have you on. thank you so much. i want to ask you, matthew about president trump's interview with this new york times interview and he said it would be a violation if special counsel mueller look under to his family finances saying it would cross a red line if the investigation went beyond russia. what's your reaction to that? >> of course mueller has the discretion to do that. we want them to follow the facts and the money if that's where it lea...

Grand jury because as we've been explaining, the original one was compromised by comey and lynch. then of course number four, also the clinton-russia collusion uranium one deal. hillary, secretary of state, signed off 20% america's uranium going to putin, the noun daysal material for nuclear weapon. and while people who have involved in the deal at the same time are kicking back millions of dollars to the clinton foundation. and her husband doubling his speaking fees in moscow. the only law in this case that we know is broken in this whole russia collusion story was of course the unmasking and...

Firing stopped and slowed down nothing with respect to the russia investigation. surely the president had to know that was the case. >> well, we don't know what he knew, first of all. and we don't know what his intent was, as you say. but you basically have a list of a pattern here. i mean my initial question to you is because the idea that the president's not under investigation. jay sekulow comes on, that's what he wants to argue about. it seemed a silly thing to pursue. of course mueller is going to look at this. i think he would get a lot of criticism, and rightly so, if he didn't look at ...

Allowing the president to lower sanctions against russia. putin is not getting much from the trump administration right now. even if he does have, and possibly has a special relationship with donald trump. he doesn't have a special relationship with defense secretary jim mattis. this is jim mattis' pentagon that advised and directed the shootdown of the syrian airplane. what i think is interesting is the potential divide between donald trump, the president, and donald trump the franchise, with various people who run his national security apparatus that clearly are not in line with a potential ...

Unanswered questions here that he has to interview everybody, fbi agents, and prosecutors, interview all the relevant witnesses. that's not just comey, but it's also mike rogers, the head of the nsa who got a phone call from the president. it's also dan coats, the director of national intelligence. and, you know, i think there's a semantical game here about underinvestigation, you know, is he a target, is he a subject. the fact is, of course mueller is investigating this part of the case. there's no way around it. he has to do that. and he will do it. >> steve, you know, it seems like we're in...