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>> no, i agree. and especially in a free-for-all. >> exactly. >> which is shaping up on the democratic side. i want to go back to something that cornell said, which i thought was interesting when he talked about south carolina and the ability to crack what i think will be a unique opportunity, assuming the president runs for reelection, which i still do, to crack the republican hold in the south. it's not just south carolina. it's georgia. >> yep. >> as witnessed by stacey abrams. it's florida as witnessed by andrew gillum. there is a whole fluidity within the democratic party now that was cre...

>> that is not going to happen. that's tattooed into people's cerebral court cortexes. one thing we saw is new ways of trying to get the math to work out to kerstin cinema in arizona, and you're going to need a candidate and a movement behind that candidate i think in organizing to try to make that be happening in new states. >> i think one point of clarification. talk about primaries, but the south carolina primary. >> right. >> absolutely. when you're talking about, you know, i think expanding the map, expanding the map. when you look at states like georgia and you look at florida, i think g...