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They've got 18 million for next year when it's probably going to be less than 10 because it's trending now. they're measuring against a completely fictional baseline. they've been wildly wrong in these coverage numbers. so eur think they've got the baseline wildly wrong. second, almost all of the near term decline in their coverage numbers come from getting rid of the individual mandate. of course, that is a very very unpopular policy. when you say people are losing coverage, i think that's deceptive when what you're actually talking about is people no longer being punished with a penalty tax ...

To address this issue with older moderate income people being hit with big premium increase and insufficient subsidies to cover that cost. that's going to be a big political problem i think the senate will address when they change this bill. >> shannon: with the cbo score, we know it's not just about money, it's about coverage. when the numbers came up last time saying 24 million or so not being covered, the democrats jumped on that. they may get similar numbers today. how valid is the gop explanation for that, that, yeah, millions of people, if you don't require them to buy stuff, aren't gonn...

That passed the house and senate and vetoed by president obama. as far as the concepts new, that is not accurate. the bill was read in entirety. the 120 pages of the energy and commerce jurisdiction. it was read in the markup. that was a request of the democrat in the markup. that was accomplished. it is not -- it is disingenuous to say the bill hasn't been read. >> i'm not saying that. i'm saying the cbo hasn't rescored it. you are comfortable voting yes on a bill that takes tens of millions off of coverage and pre-existing conditions not covered. >> let's take that individually. first off on...

Which this guarantee by the president can be addressed. if what the house proposes is deemed not adequate and i don't know what the final version is going to be, i think there will be a lot of opportunity to come forward with that. >> have you seen any language from the house bill, this revised version? >> i've just seen that which is floating around, but i know that they're speaking of revisions to the revisions and i've not seen that. >> do you think it will be necessary for the congressional budget office to score or to give an assessments of this revised version before members of the house...

And a half to get this passed. there were a lot of mistakes made. what were two or three of the biggest mistakes here that president trump and ryan made? >> they didn't get any troops on board. the hospital associations, the doctors, seniors, they could have made some outreach to the groups. they did not make that effort. secondly, that cbo score, i think, was very bad in the end. because nobody really knows what this does, but the cbo may or may not be right. i think you can argue. but their judge is the empire. >> on coverage numbers, okay, fine, say it's even half, it's still a bad number. ...