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Fundamentally approaching health care reform the wrong way. this one trillion dollar bomb that obamacare means to this country over 10 years is creating such uncertainty in the marketplace that businesses aren't willing to hire, to deploy capital into the marketplace everyone it has gummed up our system. i say we go out to the states and let the states experiment and find breakthroughs in how we address health care reform. health care reform is a three trillion dollar industry the size of the gdp of france. all i want to do is what we did in youtube in direct response. -- did in utah in direct...

We're not certain again we haven't had been able to read the report. >> reporter: not credible enough? >> look at the numbers. there are eight, nine million people on the exchange currently. i'm not sure how they're going to get to 14 million people uninsured if that's what they say with only 8 million people on the exchange. individuals ill guess thathey sume are medicaid not paying anything in the system who are going to n take the medicaid policy just because the mandate ended or something happened. it just not believable is what we would suggest. and we'll look at the numbers and see. >> m...

Occur. we are not certain -- >> the cbo is wrong? >> just look at the numbers. there are 8 million people, 8, 9 million people on the exchange currently. how do they get to 14 million people uninsured if only 8 million are on the exchange. i guess they are individuals who they assume are on medicaid who aren't paying anything in the medicaid system who are not going to take the medicaid policy just because the mandate ended or something happened? it's just not believable is what we would suggest. we'll look at the numbers and see. >> mr. secretary, without that mandate to buy coverage, would y...