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Having failed to do its duty. who did the pakistanis call the minute the american covert helicopter was shot down? they called the chinese. now, i would just suggest to you, we need to rethink carefully what do we mean by the word ally. >> so, what does it mean? would you cut off foreign aid to pakistan right now? >> i would look very seriously at the whole relationship. but i believe something much deeper. i think this conflict with radical islamists is so much more profound and is going to last so much longer, that we had better be thinking about very different strategies. i don't know that ...

Having failed to do its duty. who did the pakistanis call the minute the american covert helicopter was shot down? they called the chinese. now, i would just suggest to you, we need to rethink carefully what do we mean by the word ally. >> so, what does it mean? would you cut off foreign aid to pakistan right now? >> i would look very seriously at the whole relationship. but i believe something much deeper. i think this conflict with radical islamists is so much more profound and is going to last so much longer, that we had better be thinking about very different strategies. i don't know that ...

Absolutely. and i think the thing -- look at what we've learned about bin laden. we've learned that for the 9 1/2 years, a country, pakistan, to which we have given $20 billion, was apparently hiding him? now, does any serious person believe that the pakistani government had no idea bin laden was sitting there? does anybody -- and notice, by the way, what the intelligence chief has apologized for. he's apologized for the americans getting bin laden. he didn't apologize for 9 1/2 years of failing to find him. he didn't apologize for pakistan having failed to do its duty. who did the pakistanis ...