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If it doesn't get pointed out by the press, if it doesn't get noticed, if it doesn't get -- if it doesn't become news according to news rooms, then does the administration receive any credit? and do people feel like things are getting better? it always feels the feds and to some degree the media are always caught up in the last war, the winter covid surge is already waning in many parts of the u.s., the free tests will show up in the mail after they were most needed for some americans. what's the next big story? how can we try to get ahead instead of always being behind? well, walter shapiro r...

Will do is the very thing that you have suggested, they will acknowledge the issues at the beginning and address them only if something specific that cannot be ignored happens during the course of the games, which very well could happen. they're also up against it because of this, the late great jim mckay said to me when i had begun hosting the olympics, remember, yes, it's a sports event but it's a cultural panorama, a travel log. nbc has no ability to take people around china, to have people share in the emotion of cheering crowds and family. all of that is reduced. >> right. >> even though ...

We are two weeks away from the winter olympics in beijing and covid-19 is just one of the reasons why these games will be uniquely challenge to go cover. in the past week nbc and espn both said they are not sending the typical groups of reporters and commentators to china. they are not going, largely due to pandemic safety concerns the "today" show not going to beijing. there is this glaring issue of how the media will be able to report from a country where censorship is the norm. how free will reporters be? how many restrictions will be in place in these are largely unknown -- largely unknown...

The line especially nbc universal given it's incredibly expensive contracts to broadcast the games, $12 billion through 2032. nbc has a lot on the line and there are already a lot of questions about how it's going to treat the host country. how it's going to talk about china. whether it's going to address human rights abuses and other matters. with me now legendary broadcaster bob costas, veteran of nbc, he has hosted 12 olympics. now you are with us here at hbo hosting "back on the record" on hbo. bob, i know you are asked about the nbc and you still have a lot of friends there. >> sure. >> w...

They go to sochi in 2014, they're shameless about this stuff. so this takes place not only amid covid, as did the tokyo games of a year ago, but as you mention, the restrictions on press freedom and the sense that everyone there is being monitored in some way. we had that feeling in 2008 in beijing, i think if anything it's been ramped up now, and any -- it isn't just nbc, any network that broadcasts big sports events is simultaneously in a position, it's quasi journalistic at best, you're reporting a news event and what surrounds it in the case of the olympics isn't just what's confined to on...