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And nobody in this country has. you know, and it doesn't give me any pleasure, chris, to define him as a pathological liar. you know, i have conservative friends who are not liars. to talk about -- to talk about this president as somebody who is trying to divide our people up when you will remember, remember after 9/11 george bush very conservative president he went to a mosque to say this was not an attack by muslims, it was an attack by a handful of terrorists. do you remember that? >> yes. >> this guy is something different who will say anything, do anything in order to gain power. and whil...

On the other hand, it certainly is not good enough just to run an anti-trump campaign. we have got to be talking about health care for every man, woman and child. in my view, through a medicare for all system. you've got to be talking about raising the minimum wage to a living wage, $15 an hour. you've got to be talking about climate change and the transformation of our energy system. you have to be talking about the demand that the wealthy and large corporations, at a time when we have massive income and wealth inequality start paying their fair shares on taxes, it's good policy and good poli...

For the next two years, it will matter to the presidential election in 2020. this is what people know is that this will shape the political dynamic heading to 2020 if the story is about their corruption. >> that's interesting to me because we've had a lot of corruption and that's not been the culminating story down the stretch. you think that the house control is a major sort of toggle in that, that if the democrats control the house that will drive that story more? >> 100%, chris. you know, there's a lot of complaints about the media, what do they cover, they follow the caravan. the media lov...

Story is about their corruption. >> that's interesting to me because we've had a lot of corruption and that's not been the culminating story down the stretch. you think that the house control is a major sort of toggle in that, that if the democrats control the house that will drive that story more? >> 100%, chris. you know, there's a lot of complaints about the media, what do they cover, they follow the caravan. the media loves a good congressional investigation and oversight story. >> you know that firsthand, yeah, right. >> i know it firsthand. when congress can compel documents they can kee...

He was there for a specific purpose. but obviously i believe the accusations against him. but even if you didn't. >> right. >> if you saw him on television, refusing to let his wife talk, or she sat there the entire time, and finally the interviewer asked her a question, and he answered. i mean, she opened her mouth. >> nothing came out. he honed right in. >> that says it all, right? the one thing worse than having him on the supreme court is to be married to him. >> but clearly, it lit a fire, a prairie fire. >> do you think it did? there was all this talk oh, this is really energizing republ...