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Agreement with north korea that collapsed -- >> and now add otto warmbier to that. >> that's correct. so he tried to lighten up. he had a very lengthy speech filled with old trumpisms, right? and it didn't go well. i don't think it went -- any time you have to speak for two hours to get your message across, something is going wrong. >> but do you believe that he was just joking back in 2016? i mean -- >> no, absolutely not! >> i mean, hasn't it been proven that that was the very first day that russians tried to hack and obtain e-mails? >> that's correct. i mean, he said it blatantly, openly, a...

E-mails. now, the special counsel's office says russians that very same day in july 2016 made their first attempt to hack clinton's personal servers. >> if you tell a joke, if you're sarcast sarcastic, if you say something like, russia, please, if you can, get us hillary clinton's e-mails! then that fake cnn and others say, he asked russia to go get the e-mails. horrible. >> later on, he slammed robert mueller, revealed a conversation he had before firing then fbi director james comey. >> all of a sudden, they're trying to take you out with [ bleep ]. robert mueller put 13 of the angriest demo...

Good job of putting it all out there, why does it matter? i mean, is it all about the southern district of new york and that investigation and less about mueller? >> well, i think the talks about the pardon definitely matter, and they matter to the american people. why? because it shows a consciousness of guilt. why would trump need to have a conversation about issuing a pardon if there wasn't anything that happened that was wrong, if there wasn't anything that he had guilty knowledge of? and so i think it's very telling to the american people that president trump, if he did have pardon discus...

Consciousness that the president let loose. and again, as you correctly point out, after a difficult week politically, and perhaps even legally, with the testimony from michael cohen, with coming home empty-handed from his summit with the north korean leader in hanoi, the jared kushner situation where the president is reported to have interfered and overruled top officials in granting his son-in-law a top security clearance. so, all that added up to a very frustrated president trump. you saw him take the stage there at cpac, and you could tell right away, when he hugged the american flag that ...

It overall? do you agree this was the ultimate kickoff to the 2020 presidential campaign for trump? >> remember, alex, that state of the union address where donald trump called for unity? yeah, i don't really remember it either. >> yeah. >> i mean, kevin's right, it is kind of a ceremonial kickoff to the campaign. but donald trump has been preparing for this moment, for this kickoff, literally since the day he became president of the united states. on the day of his inauguration, he filed paperwork to run for re-election in 2020. that's something unprecedented in u.s. presidential history. he'...