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. joining me now it talk about the republican party's past vgts present and future, is michael gerson, editorial columnist for the wp wp and former bush speechwriter. this is an interesting time and an inflection point for the republican party. because it's a few months after losing and now they're meeting and they seem to be ratifying all of their oldest instincts or previous instincts and not talking about changing for the future. >> well it's hard to view cpac as indicative of the republican future. >> what is cpac's role? how important, is it still relevant is it still determinative? >> ...

Strategist james carville and republican strategist ed rollins. thanks to both of you for being here. >> thank you. >> ed, i'll start with you. i attended cpac last week, the convention of conservative political activists and when donald rumsfeld and dick cheney walked out on stage they got booed is this a sign of the schism between the new tea party folks and the old neo-cons? >> many of the cpac attendees, who obviously ron paul was the leader in their cpac poll, libertarian and very anti-war, and, you know, there are republicans who didn't like the war. the republicans who didn't like what ...

They're supposed to quit spending money and supposed to pay off their bills. the only thing we've done here in washington, the admission that there's a crisis going on is we've accelerated everything. we've expanded government. expanded spending. expanded borrowing. and, of course, expanded the function of the federal reserve. that is to create more money and credit to try to bail out the problems they created. yes, we're in for a lot of trouble yet to come. >> present company accepted, do your colleagues in the nation's capitol have any idea the increasing degree of contempt in which they're ...

>> ronald reagan recognize this party today? >> i don't think he could -- he would recognize the party but wouldn't be in lock step with what is being advocated here, and that is if you're not with me 100% of the time you're against me: he said if someone is with me 80% of the time, i'm with him. >> sure. >> well to the guy who plays third in the cpac poll, dr. ben carson, the guy who was speaking about health care, big excess government, with the president of the united states looking at him, as he did so. unmoved then, moving the nation right now. dr. ben carson, good to have you. i in the f...