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With him at 260 with the president at 268. if he can't figure out how to make up this ground, what has been a tough thing to make up for him in ohio and virginia, you look at this. the president needs one more of any of these. hispanic vote, colorado, nevada. iowa, original love fair with the president. although we have seen the numbers. is it wisconsin? where polling has con us istently shown the president ahead or even new hampshire? the point is that's what the map looks like if virginia and ohio have taken off the table. not off the table, folks. these are very close races. the point is th...

See what the methods in may, what they were doing right now, we'll learn in october what worked, is that essentially what we're learning here? >> we'll see particular messages and markets and geography and also which channels they're using to deliver them to certain slivers of the electorate. >> josh isenberg, we'll have you back so we can sit there and go back and unwind. very good stuff. read the very long piece on slate. thank you, sasha. the update panel will be here next to decide whether stuffing with trump could put romney in a slump. no, don't sit there, i'm not talking about this ...