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There's a huge difference between them. pre-emptive is anticipatory self-defense. preventive war, that's kind of a strangling the baby in the cradle war. that's getting way ahead of the problem and taking what might be a war and making it a war. that's japan tacking the united states in 1941. that's us attacking iraq because we're worried about what they could do in five or ten years. and it's a very, very dangerous business. the statesman bismark once equated it to committing war out of fear of death. it requires you to think ahead of as everyone in the world is your enemy, which is the way b...

Follow in representation of a client in this situation. he's someone that stands apart from the foreign policy establishment, you made an interesting point about him, tom, that i haven't read anywhere else because we've been talking about john bolton's favoring what we would call -- many of us have been calling pre-emptive war with north korea, a pre-emptive strike with north korea. you're distinguishing what we call pre-emptive and preventive and there's a difference. can you take us into that. >> sure. there's a huge difference between them. pre-emptive is anticipatory self-defense. preventi...