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Difficult conversations. and i think he is starting in that way. but i think he's going to learn a lot more about the state craft part of his portfolio in the days ahead. >> you were on the transition team. take me, you know -- bring me inside here. what was it like? i mean, with these approaches, i mean, when you guys give him advice, did he listen? what am i missing here? there's so many people who are thinking is he listening? what's the deal? >> well, first of all, in terms of transition, there was, you know, non-disclosure agreements that we signed. and i take those seriously. >> sure. >>...