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Another level for people in the southern district of new york special counsel's office and fbi. your michael cohen. what has your lot in life been? your practice floated, office and home and hotel room raided, you're getting crushed by michael avenatti on every cable network including coqvc and ver little you can do. i think he's trying to pound the dents out of his public persona by crafting a revised image. michael cohen 2.0, if you will, praising the fbi and saying this investigation through the fbi is not a witch hunt and saying to the people he will meet on his side in the knock-out round...

Cohen right now. he likely was sending some kind of signal to the president, as a last ditch effort to tell him, look, i'm not on your side 100 pers. i don't think this is a witch hunt, the image he's trying to portray to the public and fbi. he clearly doesn't align with the president on everything and clearly feels he's left out in the cold by the property and his allies. >> someone who disagrees, michael cohen is not speaking to the president, take a listen to michael talk about michael cohen in this interview and what he says is an appeal to listen to him. >> this is michael cohen trying to...

There's an argument about this, he hired an attorney with close ties to the district who can negotiate a deal. he clearly seems abandoned by donald trump and seems ready to make a deal. he made comments in this interview not consistent with the way trump sees the world or critical of trump. bottom line, feds have 1.3 million documents in their possession they got from michael cohen and some clearly pertain to donald trump. >> tasha, let me get from you the timing and substance. are we reading too much and michael cohen has given this image and family and country come first and not this loyalty...

The staple way steve bannon did. he called it borderline treasonous. it is part of a pr push. he has a lawyer to do that but we shouldn't underestimate him to be in the middle of the spectacle to get his message out, that he's a reasonable person, the meetings where the russians offer dirt on hillary clinton. he's not on board on that. whether this was a message or request for the president to pardon him. he wanted to send certain messages to the president. >> when you look at articles of him threatening a journalist, his image over the last several weeks has been tarnished in addition to what...

Punching bag as part of anyone's defense strategy. i'm not a villain of this story and will not allow others to depict me that way. what do you make of his desire to try to shape the discourse around his image and perhaps send a message to those who want to use him as the culprit of any wrongdoings? >> it seems like publicly he's doing everything he can to distance himself from the president, whether a message to the president, hey, i'm willing to turn on you or flip on you if you don't pardon me or if he's doing a pr image trying to change his image like he tried to tell george stephanopoulos...