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The president to say, here's a young man and do something outside the bright lights of the media to have a conversation and that dialogue is a helpful thing and should be encouraged. >> a fascinating conversation. i encourage you to check out the rest of it on the interwebs. my conversation with nba commissioner, adam silver. switching gears now. we are continuing our kids under pressure series today with a look at perfectionism. nbc news and msnbc are collaborating with "usa today" this week to highlight the issue surrounding children and mental health. today, we're focusing on negative gen...

Also the book of "brave." let's start with perfectionism. what is it and how does it affect specifically young girls? >> so i think we seed the perils of perfectionism in every aspect of our life. so in school, studies show that if women get a "b" in a single class, they'll drop out of their economics major, whereas boys are like, i got a "b"! that's amazing! >> i'm one of those boys. >> yep, we see it later in work. women won't even apply for a job unless they meet 100% of the qualifications. and then we see it in our health. women are twice as likely to suffer depression as men. and this is ...

Them bravery and unlearn perfectionism. and to me a problem that we have right now with the leadership gap is that women are waiting to be perfect to live, women are waiting to be perfect to lead. and we'll never close the leadership gap if we don't do that. >> to realize that no one's perfect. >> and perfect is boring! >> yes, it is! as someone who has been imperfect for 40 years. reshma, thank you so much. i've always enjoyed you. thanks for coming on to talk about the book. and to catch more of our series, "kids under pressure" here on msnbc, "nbc nightly news," the "today" show, and nbcnew...