MSNBC Morning Joe December 14, 2021 13:03:00
Trial, but if convicted, yeah, he can go to trail. but they've said a lot already. just from what he's turned over, they have a lot about what he knew and what donald trump was doing and they're also going to third party providers, cell phone companies, to internet companies to find out what else was going on. >> what would be the value of not testifying after your halfway there and you've submitted all of this paperwork that shows everything that you've done? >> they're guilty. and he may -- this is what he turned over and it's pretty disturbing. somebody who sat in a chamber and seen those t...