That, number one, i qudo not age with you on that. second thing, it's a negotiation. both sides are going to get to say what's acceptable, what's not acceptable. >> i don't disagree with that. >> ana is right, there's a real question with conservatives like myself about what the final package looks like. i think it's a very live wire. this very easily might not happen because they don't strike the right balance. by the way, on immigration, it's almost impossible to find that balance. i give the president create credit. he is trying to reach out. >> this is a moral position, not just a policy o...