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Prospect he would be satisfied with a limited milled military objective, but not the political one, the toppling of the government? >> he achieved none of his objectives. this was designed for a blitzkrieg attack that would topple the government. it seems though the problem that we have seen clearly is that this vladimir putin is really in the destroy ukraine in order to save it approach. unfortunately, it's not just that he is stymies and he is resorting to the tactics. this is the rush sian playbook,o attack civilians, create terror. you bring in the artillery and bomb barding cities. that's...

Ahold of a pressure cooker, fill it up with shrapnel. a very common anti-personnel device that does just what this did. to injure, maim and create terror. >> to your point, 1976, a croatian nationalist place ad pressure keerk bomb in a locker in grand central terminal. that device went off as technicians attempted to dismantle it, killing one nypd officer and badly injuring another. that was in 1976. these types of explosive devices have been used many times, including as you said, with the bomber who was in time square. >> yeah. it is an easy to get ahold of device. i think the challenge for ...