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Rice, the contribute r editor of new york magazine. so to you first, it's amazing that the president continues to say this is all the work of his enemies. >> yeah, we had not heard that in this period that we haven't seen him until today. the last few days, as donald trump jr. was putting out statement after statement, changing his story and then actually putting out the e-mails, it was eerily quiet from donald trump, the president calling this fake news as he's done in the past or a democratic effort to discredit his legitimacy as an elected president. that didn't exist because we had it in b...

Representative of the russian government -- goldstone. donald trump, jr., took the meeting with the intention of colluding. i think that is the problem here, that the big take away, wherever all of the rest of this is, . >> one of the biggest problems is the credibility gap that opens up now. st pointed out, this whole thing is phony, there's nothing to it, it's not only fully, it's ridiculous to suggest that we knew any russians or dealt with any russians and then we have this amazing timeline now we have the email dated june whatever it was where he heard that this was the russian government...

Know about this meeting, again, it's going to really make special counsel robert mueller suspicious. >> rick, i know you're still quite plugged into republican circles, of course former campaign spokesman for ted krewe. what are your fellow republicans saying about this latest revelation, this latest bombshell? how worried are they? >> well, publicly you notice they're saying mostly nothing and i think this is very worrisome shgt worrisome for the republican brand, because consistently the administration has said one thing that's proven not to be true over and over again. and, you know, there'...

Obtained this information. and i don't know if it would be such a good idea to provide president putin with all the information that i've seen during those briefings. so to that extent, i would agree with the decision not provide everything. but there is -- >> but for russia to question whether the president of the u.s. has proof after the remarks that the president had said, questioning his intelligence community and his agencies that had said they have the proof, do you see where i'm getting about the credibility gap there? >> well, i think president putin knows that russia meddled in the u....

Taking his word on this question whether there was interference in our election. there was nobody there to witness it. the national security adviser wasn't in there so we will never know what happened between putin and trump. >> we might know what level of interference and meddling happened if certain classified information that is probably all wrapped up with special prosecutor's investigation ever becomes public knowledge, do you think? >> sure. at some point donald trump is going to have to recognize that. listen, we cannot, as a nation, believe him over donald trump and rex tillerson. the ...