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He says, this is in part, truth be told, the inses isn't lying and the apparatus he has built many the white house means that nothing they say is to be believed anyway. but this of a different nature. this says to america, i'm going to tell you a lie that is so outrageous that you will want to believe that some part of it is true to preserve your faith in truth, democracy and man kind. what do you think of that? >> striking, isn't it? listen, don, we've had examples of presidents lying to the public on a consistent basis now for at least a generation. lynn don johnson lied to us about the viet...

White house is weathering is a self-inflicted crisis, and there is a yawning credibility gap. what's going to happen, chris -- and this time will come -- when they're not facing a self-inflicted crisis but actually a crisis from the outside world, whether it is some provocative action from an adversary of the united states, whether it is a natural disaster in which american lives are at risk? maybe it's a public health situation. but at some point, the credibility of the white house and the top surrogates of the white house will mean life and death, and what are we going to do then given the y...

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What's troubling about this, chris, is, you know, i agree with what steve said. the stakes here are high. i think the thing that's important for us to recognize is the current crisis that this white house is weathering is a self-inflicted crisis, and there is a yawning credibility gap. what's going to happen, chris -- and this time will come -- when they're not facing a self-inflicted crisis but actually a crisis from the outside world, whether it is some provocative action from an adversary of the united states, whether it is a natural disaster in which american lives are at risk? maybe it's ...

Problem? i'll preface it by reading something our colleagues wrote in "the new york times" about the trump administration contradictions surrounding james comey. the firing there. he says, this is in part, truth be told, the incessant lying by this president and the elaborate apparatus in the white house to meet those lies means nothing they say it to be believed anyway. but this is of a different nature. this says to america, i'm going to tell you a lie that is so outrageous, that you will want to believe that some part of it is true to preserve your faith in truth, democracy and mankind. wha...