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He tried to cast a wire and wanted to see more friends and family and they were willing to go. >> there were people who did not want to jump out in front of this. what you just said, in the past, serving the president and country weren't in conflict. at some point there seems to be a conflict about being sure that the president is happy what you say and he has put staff in difficult spots and chosen to go there. ultimately this is about the president and not about the credibility gap of the people behind the podium no matter who it is and who is the spokespeople are, ultimately it's up to him....

>> well, president trump is like all of us, to some extent, a prison of his own experience. this is a man who has been reported actually prethe ended to be his own spokesman in the tabloid years. >> john miller. >> john miller and john bare ron. so i think when the history of the trump administration is written, there are going to be a couple of really important historical figures who are anti-seedents here. one is joe kohn who tutored trump in the art of changing the story, going for the headline, fighting wars in the tabloids. the other is rupert murdock who helped create that culture in the...

Mccarthy a lawyer and who tutored trump in the art of changing the story, going for the headline, fighting wars in the tabloids. the other is rupert murdoch, who helped create that culture in the modern era in new york. and i think that essentially what we're seeing -- and rick has been in this position when he's served the country -- there is this, to use an old watergate phrase, there is an enormous credibility gap. and just one parenthetical. president trump has explained why he did it, but will that be the explanation tomorrow? >> right. and, rick, the reason why it's important to believe ...

Trump in the art of changing the story, going for the headline, fighting wars in the tabloids. the other is rupert murdock who helped create that culture in the modern era in new york, and up think that essentially, what we're seeing -- and rick has been in this position when he's serveging the country -- there is this -- to use an old watergate phrase, there is this enormous credibility gap. one parenthetical prumplt has explained why he did it but will that be the explanation tomorrow? >> right. and rick, the reason it's important to believe that podium and the person standing behind it is t...

And it's playing out publicly. when you're not a student of history, when you haven't read biographies of past presidents as he's admitted he hasn't done and you clearly haven't looked at how it played out with north korea over the last several times we've gone through this, it's playing out as we speak and making threats that make it sound like he's about to take preemptive action that sends a bad message to partners and allies including south korea and it's not clear there is a brilliant strategy behind it. i think it's concerning because of that. i think we're giving him a little too much c...