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>> our allies don't know if the president is bluffing. they don't know anymore than we know in this particular case. we're not used to having a president who goes out there and says there will be fire and fury unless there is. the last time we heard that was shock and awe and there was. nobody knows how to take this president. it goes back to the question of lying because so many people don't believe what he says any way. should they believe him in this instance. >> joey jackson, this is not just a little drone. this is a major aircraft that's unmanned. it's $150 million. it's not cheap. in ef...

One, when we asked about -- we asked the president if he knew anything about those payments. that's one thing out of so many different things. >> where he gave a blatant no and that was false. >> yes, and then we found something totally different. the white house has tried to reshape rudy giuliani. rudy giuliani has tried to reshape. the credibility issue is the problem. but we have to find out where the where is. we have to find the receipts or the proof, if you will, to make sure to nail this down. but once again, this is a smack of a conflict of interest, impropriety at the least. >> here's...

Contradictory to other stuff he said of under oath. on the other hand, was not pushing their costs and there was no collusion. >> this is why prosecutors in general with regard to prosecution are so careful about cooperating witnesses, particularly cooperating witnesses would have a credibility issue and a truthfulness issue. >> it is not just the this witness. there are so many witnesses that we have seen brought forth from the democrats who have had credibility problems. if michael cohen is the best i have, what does that say about the others? do you think they will continue to rollout these...

Boggling and yeah, we're taking that on. neil: so if the democrats would still have more cohen hearings and with or without cohen once he's in jail hearings based on what he said either at a public forum or one behind closed doors what are we looking at here? where is this all going? >> oh, it's absolutely going towards impeachment. these guys hate donald trump and they're going to do everything they can to try to take him out. neil: do they tell you that, do your democratic colleagues wisper and say this is where we're going with this? >> no one has come up to me, neil and said this is our gr...

>> you never had a conversation? >> no. i didn't. i never did. >> and did you ever tell him to -- other people to get in touch with him? >> never did. >> did roger stone ever give the president a heads up on wikileaks and concerning dnc. >> no, he didn't. >> not at all? >> i don't believe so. >> wikileaks, which i had nothing to do with -- >> i mean, april, if what michael cohen said today is true and again i say if, although he certainly seemed to be very credible today, then all of those things are just blatant lies. >> right. erin, someone along the way is lying. we don't know which side. t...