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Jennifer said. in the end, if it took the national security adviser eight months to figure that donald trump was an idiot then we need to introduce him to captain obvious because this is about the plainest fact about the trump presidency one could ever imagine. >> jennifer, you cannot dine out in america where more people voted for hillary clinton than donald trump and not here words like moron and idiot when people are talking about the president of the united states. that's one of the reasons these stories come with the credibility level that they have. >> absolutely. and you have to think t...

That. >> they couldn't have, lawrence. i worked in the white house as you said. people attack the president all the time and then you have to respond to it. when's so different is that people attacking the president are his closest advisers. his secretary of state calls him a moron. his national security adviser calls him an idiot. it's hard for the white house to muster a response to the white house. i think it goes back to what jennifer said. in the end, if it took the national security adviser eight months to figure that donald trump was an idiot then we need to introduce him to captain obv...

That have been said by the administration. and now as you begin to peel this back, there turns out to have been an awful lot of contacts. which may lead nowhere. we've got to let the investigation take its course. it puts the lie to the fact there were no contacts. frankly, the more you learn, the more you're forced to conclude that at a minimum, mr. trump's campaign was naive in terms of tats view towards the russians. >> it doesn't help them on the credibility level. you know, you told ryan lizza everyone you're speaking with thinks that don junior meeting at trump tower was a russian intel ...

Credibility level. you told ryan that everyone you speaks with thinks don junior was a russian intel operation. why do they believe that? >> it's classic trade craft opponent of russians. first of all it's called a soft approach. you don't use people whose business cards say we're par of russian intelligence. you learn a lot if you learn the russians, you learn a lot from the meeting no matter what it is the americans think is going on. number one, you learn that the trump campaign will take the meeting. number two, you learn that even after the meeting, they don't report it to federal authori...

That is right, a fill in the blank quiz. of all the presidential candidates, donald trump has the biggest what? >> donald trump has the biggest lead consistently over the rest of the field? >> tax return, let's take a look at the picture where he filed his tax returns today, tweeted bit and stacked up what may or may not be his tax return. donald trump, the credibility level, who knows. he has a big tax return, for sure. >> that was a dangerous question, lawrence. >> you know what i was risking was the first thing that would come to your mind, but you know that is what we do here. >> which is ...