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About ginni thomas, her relationship with the former president and the fact that justice thomas should be recusing himself and the defense being put up. she says it strains credit duality if justice thomas said he had no idea what she was up to. the idea those two don't share conversations about those topics is an insult to americans. >> first off, congratulations to katie fang. we're excited about her new show. she makes a great point. she says she's not one to criticize the partner in a married couple when one has a prominent position. it's a judgment issue. she's dead on the money. ginni th...

Campaign, has been suspected for four or five years of being a russian agent or the target of russian recruitment. >> the latter i should say. >> yeah. the fbi's been on his case for some time. so in the last year or so, the department of justice on four occasions got permission four times from this special court to monitor carter page's communications, this suspected person. so the democrats, i mean the republicans announce and company, would ask us to believe that four times the department of justice pulled the wool over the eyes of this court whose judges are highly trained and very skeptic...

So in the last year or so, the department of justice on four occasions got permission four times from this special court to monitor carter page's communications, this suspected person. so the democrats, i mean the republicans announce and company, would ask us to believe that four times the department of justice pulled the wool over the eyes of this court whose judges are highly trained and very skeptical for the most part. it's just defies credit duality to think that they could have been fooled four times that they were presented faulty evidence that encouraged them to -- to permit the monit...

Listen. agree with the program or disagree with the program, you still, as an american, had to come away today feeling a little bit better about the people that are in charge of this program as opposed to the guys i mentioned to you -- >> neil: no doubt. very quickly. does it span credit duality to say this verizon phone record collection in the tens of millions, single handedly prevented what could have gone down at the new york stock exchange. isn't that a bit of a stretch? >> not at all. we didn't have anything like this years and years ago, and we were able to prevent things. so, absolutel...