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I had a call with the council, they doubled mortuary capacity and double that again. and then we were on the call once again talking about doubling mortuary capacity once more. we expected to run out of crematorium capacity. muslims in my constituency were worried about being cremated, not buried, but of course, the reverse was that people wanted to be cremated and might have had to be buried just because we had too many bodies to deal with. that was the kind of atmosphere we faced them. and i considered it my duty to take that moderate and supportive tone. but you went on to talk about panic ...

They doubled mortuary capacity and doubled it again. and then we were on the call once again talking about doubling mortuary capacity once more. we expected to run out of crematorium capacity. muslims in my constituent were worried about being cremated, not buried — but, of course, the reverse was the concern — that people wanted to be cremated and might have had to be buried, just because we had too many bodies to deal with. that was the kind of atmosphere we faced then. and i considered it my duty to take that moderate and supportive tone. but you went on to talk about panic in governmen...

Great misgivings about, and we were locked down during that debate, and i think that we all expected at that time, really horrific levels of death and suffering. i had had a call with, i forget the exact timing, but at an early stage in this, i had a call with the council, they doubled mortuary capacity and doubled it again. and then we were on the call once again talking about doubling mortuary capacity once more. we expected to run out of crematorium capacity. muslims in my constituency were worried about being cremated, not buried, but of course, the reverse was the concern, that people wan...

There wasn't a vote on the first lockdown but i don't think you fought it at the time, but you have fought pretty much every restriction ever since. what did you see, what did you fear, and why did you change your view? yes, so, i was always very sceptical but at the beginning when we were bounced into a lockdown, i remember seeing the announcement during the debate on the coronavirus act — which i criticised, or expressed great misgivings about — and we were locked down during that debate and i think that we all expected at that time really horrific levels of death and suffering. you know...