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Nato being it would be nato having to defend the ukrainians against russia. thank you. >> second yes is, thque -- ques answer is no. they have to meet other criteria to get into the action plan. school's out on that question. it remaps to be seen. in the meantime, we will do all that we can to put cukraine in the position to resist russian physical aggression and it will not just depend on me whether or not we conclude ukraine can become part of nato, it will e depend on the alliance and how they vote. i know they have to convince and it's not easy. i made a speech years ago saying that ukrain...

Smearing joe biden. that call happened between trump and ukrainian president july 25th, 2019. the hair-raising nature of that call was alerted up the chain by an anonymous whistleblower that set in motion which would end up the first of two impeachments of president donald trump. but before tonight, before cnn published this today, we had never before heard the call that rudy giuliani made three days before trump's call with zelensky, giuliani laid out the ground work for that call between the two presidentings. this is a call before rudy giuliani and basically the top adviser to ukraine's pre...

To the end because they just get pummelled if they stick their head out. i've got to say the number of conservative journalists and sort of writers, the number of republicans all over the place who just decided to throw in with trump is depressing. >> let's talk about rudy giuliani, neera. the president was on with bill o'reilly a little bit earlier today, formerly of fox news. and people have been asking when the president was going to try to distance himself from rudy giuliani. he hadn't done it until suddenly today. let's listen. >> rudy giuliani, but he's your personal lawyer. giuliani is ...

The presidential calls and see the just released statement from crew crane then she should meet with the other never trumpers, who i don't know and mostly never even heard of, and work out a better presidential attack. with us now, josh. this makes four witnesses now that the president has hit with the label, never trumpers and this is just into cnn. vice president pence's office is declining to say anything in jennifer's defense. >> well they're saying she's a state department employee which is true. she's technically an important of mike pompeo and the secretary of state, but however, she's ...

Where that weird sort of backwards theory about the 2016 election might have come from. the whole u.s. intelligence community says it was russia. more than a dozen russian intelligence officers are currently indicted by the justice department because it was russia. it was russia. so where's this weird thing coming from that trump is pursuing in this pressure campaign in ukraine, this insistence by him it wasn't russia that interfered in 2016, it was ukraine that did it? well, as of last night as i mentioned on the show last night, the incidents we know of in the wild where that strange thing m...