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Enforcement more demoralized and morale at such a low, and this defunding the police and what it means to new york city, for example, 500 less detectives to go after crime. 500, and 50% of the people being shot who shot someone are released through the bail reform in new york and all kinds of things are going on and i really worry about what's going to happen this summer, it's a powder keg, and they easily estimate another 1,000 people or more in new york city alone will be shot between now and the end of the year. that's frightening. charles: yeah, i grew up in harlem in the 70s, and you know...

Happening there. there are people just coming in, if we don't take the incentives away then they're going to keep coming, that's plain and simple. charles: you've seen this before, but the numbers that we're seeing now seem astonishing. i don't know if we've ever had it to this degree and what do you make of vice-president harris saying, well, she's kind of searching, trying to find the roots of the problems as maybe a way of addressing this rather than coming down, the sense of urgency to come down now. >> well, look, there are factors, she's concentrating on the push factors. there's no magi...