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The mueller report went at length to try to develop a narrative that there was obstruction but i assure you if there was a crime mueller would have come forward and said there was a crime and he wouldn't have just laid it out the way he did. >> of democrats tried to fit him down and ask did the president obstruct justice is he going to say no? >> i do. i don't think there is any other way. >> he did not invite, did not say there was a crime committed. you read those 10 items laid out, not one of them is a crime. >> let's hear what james comey had to say. >> if this were a case about someone ot...

Assange had in store for them. i find it amusing to read jerome cousy's recounting, just wouldn't believe me when i denied. i don't envy robert mueller's team having to deal with this particular witness. he is a bit of a loose cannon. >> your assessment of the significance? >> always a bad sign when the words conspiracy theorists are your bio when you are mentioned in the press. this has always been an investigation in search of the original crime. the original crime is supposed to be conspiracy to collude with russia to affect the result of the 2016 election. if that happens, if a plea deal i...

Embarrassing, but donald trump has been in 40% in the polls since the day he was elected. he's not going to go down if he takes the fifth. and that just eliminates this whole controversy and ends the whole thing. >> david, quickly, on that political point, can he afford to take the fifth? >> it's good legal advice, it's terrible political advice. i just think it would be a disaster for him to take the fifth. >> professor? >> there will be no invocation of the fifth amendment. you have to realize that first of all there has to be a crime that's investigated. we don't even know what crime muelle...

That was after we knew lying to the fbi was a crime mueller would be polluting people for. but vanderswan told a total lie. he's a smart guy, he has an elite background, he's a son-in-law of an oligarch, why did he feel he could benefit from lying to the fbi. the situation he's involved in is a complex one, it's messy, it involves an extraordinary amount of power in the united states and it's something that's going to get even more interesting in the days to come. >> do you think this is a signal that other people are cooperating? >> this is the clearest sign that we have that rick gates is co...