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Regardless. so although it's very impactful now and certainly one that was meant to denigrate not only jeff sessions and rod rosenstein and to subordinate them immediately, it can be reversed. the question is, what will he do in the interim. >> josh campbell, how do you see it? >> two things. first of all, if you think about all of the issues that the justice department deals with, all of the cases under their purview, all of the crimes, there is singularly one investigation that the president cares about. and that is the investigation into his campaign. when you look at these past statements ...

Hearing anything in terms of some of the more moderate republicans sort of pulling back from criticizing mueller. >> there is an interesting contrast between the president's legal team, rudy giuliani tweeted shortly after that indictment came out that the mueller probe needed to be shutdown, and republicans on capitol hill. sort of one of the big flash points the last couple of weeks has been the role of rod rosenstein, the deputy attorney general who is in charge of mueller's investigation and the friction between himself, the d.o.j., and republicans in congress who are trying to sort of inve...

Trump, the better it is for trump. so sessions, think about what it would have been like if it had been opposite. suppose sessions hadn't recused himself. you would have had unending stories about trump pressuring sessions pressuring mueller. no one would have had faith in the credibility of the investigation. i can't imagine -- sessions was a high campaign official in the subject of this investigation. i think it's a close call that he properly recused himself and by getting out of the way, it makes sure the mueller investigation and its conclusion will be as credible as possible. that's the ...

Attorney. is it extraordinary? no, this is the way prosecutors get information sometimes to convict and prosecute, sometimes to exculpate. criticizing mueller for veering into highly personal issues such as the alleged daniels encounter, giuliani added the only thing that's happening perhaps is that mueller is trying to compel the president to testify. all right. a lot to get to. welcome back to "morning joe," it's thursday, may 3. yes, joe? >> think about this. rudy giuliani, when this happened, said this is not extraordinary. this is what prosecutors do. giuliani being a prosecutor would kno...

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