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Robert e. lee. my personal preference has always been that those statues be not removed, but toppled, that they be left in the public laying on their side as a sign of defeat, like a chess piece knocked over at the conclusion of a game. and so i think that's part of it. the other part of it is the real reckoning with the fact that we have these cross currents. even as lee comes down, we see texas celebrating its step in moving a step closer to their goal of making it more difficult for people of color, for african-americans to vote. and potentially leading the way for many other southern state...

Columnist, best selling author of many books. so tom, i mean, we see clarissa's reporting, you see the images. president biden's speech today. what do you make of how things are unfolding? >> you have so many cross currents right now, anderson. i think i would be really humble about making any predictions. the thing that really strikes me is the taliban clearly initially are being very careful what they say, what they try to impose. i think that's partly because they want first the americans to leave and get that process over. but secondly, i think they don't know. they're taking over a countr...

And how it impacted, how it land ed in a lot of communities. i can site you prince george's county and baltimore city. it wasn't quite the same in some neighborhoods. now with those cross currents coming again, you find the public in one space, prosecutors and law enforcement in different spaces. this president has got to try to navigate that. the best thing joe biden can do, because he's known for this, is to be honest about what he wants to get done, but more importantly, be honest about what can get done. because you're not going to satisfy all of those cross currents, because as the violen...

>> well, i think it's like a river. there is a surface and a deep part of it that could be going with cross currents. i think we're sort of at an interesting time because we see the growth in white nationalism, we see a growth in efforts to suppress the vote, which, in many instances, means suppressing the black vote. on the other hand, we go through our daily lives and we seem to get along. there is not a race war going on, but there seem to be people who wish to foment one. >> let me tell you how i look at it and tell me if i'm wrong. i do think there has been an enormous amount of progress ...

The transportation bill, and that is not clear. so the pressure from the left that mike is talking about is going to be this offer. mr. president, can't you just do one tough vote and get everyone on board, and instead of trying to jam this thing through with the republicans that leaves out all of the priorities from the more liberals and in the party to dampen the enthusiasm for the midterm in the second tranche, and plus time runs out. so the argument of looking at fiscal cliff of september, and the spending bills and the government shutdown to make sure that you don't reach the fiscal ceili...