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i think basically, and it's kind of pleasing to watch, they have been induced, cohen has been induced to overplay his hand, this sort of raw bullying tactics that normally put an end to things in their new york world won't work here. >> yeah. >> and the real risk they're in now -- this is different from mueller. and we can talk about the crosscutting with mueller. but they're now in individual proceedings where an individual judge, they can be maneuvered to either lie or not. remember what happened to bill clinton down in arkansas when he lied in front of susan webber wright? she took his license away, made him pay $750,000. if cohen winds up getting crosswise with an individual judge. >> that's a great point. >> he is in dire shape, including for his license. >> again, look, perjury is the thing here. >> right. >> there are so many now different ways to get trump in the box. and once you get trump in the box, it is game over because the man is incapable of -- clinton's
been induced, cohen has been induced to overplay his hand, this sort of raw bullying tactics that normally put an end to things in their new york world won't work here. >> yeah. >> and the real risk they're in now -- this is different from mueller. and we can talk about the crosscutting with mueller. but they're now in individual proceedings where an individual judge, they can be maneuvered to either lie or not. remember what happened to bill clinton down in arkansas when he lied in front of susan webber wright? she took his license away, made him pay $750,000. if cohen winds up getting crosswise with an individual judge. >> that's a great point. >> he is in dire shape, including for his license. >> again, look, perjury is the thing here. >> right.